Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

I'm back! Very tired after Long drive and can do without thinking too much about this tonight but....

In the words of Loyd Grossman - 'Let us examine the evidence'

When you buy a house you look at the initial price, taxes, legal fees, etc.. When you want the best ski deal you look at...... ( yes here is your Gaussian index Trencher)

Now think about your house and all the "considerations" you made before buying it!

The last number on my list is the most important. it will save you all a great deal of money once you discover what it is!

Hint 2: It is all about skis!

Hint 3 : The last value will serve you all your life once you know how to use it. In fact I predict that all skiers reading this thread will use this knowledge all their life and even thank you two for making me "reveal" this number. They will remember thre source of this value evry time they get new ski!
I promise both of you that once you will have correct values you will sleep very well at night!

Hint 3: Ellistine you are good! Now think what every skier must consider when buying a new ski!

I mean EVERY skier! Get that and the Mutix are yours!!!

Mike, think how proud yu were when you told me and the end of the ski year how you........ ( in figures)

I promise you all this figure you will never forget and you will use it for the rest of your skiing life! It will be called the Pavel index!

Once you know this figure and HOW TO USE IT correctly you become in your country the man to see! They will come to you!
They will ask you if.........!

Pavel, am I right in thinking that all these clues are for the 5th elusive number? See our problem?:?

I'm thinking that the number is not a nominal number but is part of a range of numbers (the Pavel Index).

Any of you Brits remember the 80's TV program 3-2-1 (Dusty Bin and all that)? Remember the riddle to be solved at the end?

For those that don't remember it or who were lucky enough not to be able to receive this program, here is an example riddle taken from Wikipedia (yes 3-2-1 is on Wikipedia!)

For example, a wishbone brought on by Sonny Hayes came with the clue "Take one that never changes, add a pub and a precious stone, bring them all up-to-date, and now you're on your own", which the contestants rejected hoping it referred to Dusty Bin. Rogers explanation of the clue was: "'Take one that never changes', well that could be Dusty Bin which of course is where you might throw a wishbone. 'Add a pub and a precious stone', well that doesn't point to Dusty. 'Bring them all up-to-date, and now you're on your own'. Well what about the wishbone? Sonny said 'a large wishbone', so what might a large wishbone come from? Something larger than a chicken. Turkey maybe? Now 'one that never changes' is a constant, a pub can also be an inn, there's a lot of precious stones but how many go with 'constant inn'? How about opal? Yes, Constantinople, up-to-date, the pride of Turkey, you've rejected the 3-2-1 holiday!"

I think you'll agree this riddle is obvious compared to Pavels Corker! :lol:

P.S. I'm open to receiving PM's if anybody works out the answer (I'd send you a picture of me skiing on them in Austria next January in the way of a thankyou) :wink: :wink:

Ellistine,
Your "problem solving" strategies are excellent.
Maybe you should all get together and decide on the obviouse correct answers. Then focus all your brain power on that last number.

Now knowing how you think, I am sure that "use" this last index without knowing its exact source and value!

I know for sure that Mike uses it since he proved it to me when I met him!

Agus in his quest for skis several months ago would have given his right arm to know this index.

Dshenberger, I know will applly this index in his area in November even on his board. Dam another hint!


June 10 is the deadline!


The last is the very best Ellistine! That is the Grail!!!!

I'm glad you returned safely, Ellistine. You had a nice change of scenery I hope!

pavelski wrote:

I know for sure that Mike uses it since he proved it to me when I met him!

June 10 is the deadline!

Now, I'm completely confused :!:

Judy !!! put on the coffee ... it's going to be a long night !!!!

I'm thinking we may be looking at something we didn't realize existed. Something like the CTI or the PTI.

But last night I was so confused that I put off what I had to do (the quizz taking all my attention) and tonight I must leave to sort out this later.

Mike :(

pretty hard quizz............
gaussian distribution: normal distribution.... probability... aplies to safety limits (i do not know how you called them in english: "limites de confianza" in spanish, it is the interval in which you are xx% sure the value will be)....
what ski expertise level range can i manage? therefore, which ski is the best for me. i mean, every ski is assigned with a number or a range of numbers which defines the ski level its user must have.
or maybe price/performance relation.
ran out of ideas...
cya

Wow, Pavel, thanks for that last batch of hints! I really wonder if everything he says is some kind of veiled hint.

Why the reference to "November?" Maybe the temperature at which snow can be formed? But that makes no sense in relation to the other requirements for the answer. "Even on his board." So, it does not necessarily apply to skis specifically! Here we go - The granule size of the individual flakes! Measured in microns, of course. ;)


What about a relationship between ski length and height/weight of skier?

The tenth isn't coming fast enough!!!!!!

In other news: It has been 90 degrees here the last couple of days. It makes me long for cold and snow!

Dshenberger wrote:Wow, Pavel, thanks for that last batch of hints! I really wonder if everything he says is some kind of veiled hint.
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I again agree with you Dshenberger. Pavel's hints almost indicate we must read between the lines - and within most of the quotation marks.

Have you all noticed how many times he tells us to "think"? He says Ellistine and I could answer "dangerous" questions. Dangerous seemed out of place and really put before us as a hint. And he admires Ellistine's "problem solving" abilities. Also the letter was "hidden" in the house ... We all know Pavel to be a great thinker and he tells us to think. What is to think if it is not to reason. Skiing is percieived to be dangerous. This is the perception many have. If we look up reasoning indexes we find Perceptual Reasoning Index which is a way we solve problems through visualization rather than verbal means. Pavel was once impressed by my observation of the ski inthe back of his car. I suppose I "solved" my curosity of what ski it was by studying the picture. If my curosity was a problem then I solved that problem through the use of visual perception.

When we buy a ski (or anything for that matter) we have a perception of how it will work for us or make our life better. How good will the purchase make us feel. Afterall buying something is supposed to make us feel good. That's the perception. In purchasing that house we must be as certain as possible it will serve our perceived needs or we are wasting our money. With a list of wants and needs in hand we go shopping!

So....

If, as the fussy skiing shopper, we say the Pavel Index is 8.5 out of 10 , and list our needs and wants in a ski purchase in a weighted manner to a maximum of 10 and let that index be the determining factor in the "to purchase" or "not to purchase" decision (since buying something is mostly the fulfillment of that emotional need). When the ski we see matches our need and want list to at least 8.5 then we can "safely" make the purchase knowing we have reasoned it carefully and the Pavel Index justifies the purchase. The cost of emotional purchases can be high!

If we weight the ideal length say 3 points, the ideal stiffness 1.5 points, the perfect turning radius 2.0 points, the ski's desirable weight 3 points, the top sheet graphics .5 points on our want list and then assess the skis we look at against this list we would have reasoned using the Pavel Index it was a wise purchase which will meet our perceputally reasoned needs and wants.

And now it is about 4am in Weymouth :?

I hope Pavel likes long winded replies :wink:

Good night John Boy :!:

Mike

Mike wrote:we say the Pavel Index is 8.5 out of 10

I like that. I was thinking something similiar during the night only marks out of 5 because judging by Pavels previous threads he seems to like the number 5 eg. 5 Magic numbers etc. :D

ellistine wrote:

Mike wrote:we say the Pavel Index is 8.5 out of 10

I like that. I was thinking something similiar during the night only marks out of 5 because judging by Pavels previous threads he seems to like the number 5 eg. 5 Magic numbers etc. :D

That's a really good point, Ellistine.

And just another thought on the needs and wants and the "controlling factors" of a purchase. Pavel mentioned that I "use" the magic number as he saw when we met. I just realized he may have been thinking of the last car we had purchased. I had explained to him that the factor "controlling" the purchase decision was how well the skis would fit. As we looked at different cars the one criteria which was paramount was how easily we could transport the skis!!! It was worth about 5 to 6 points on the Pavel Index!

Mike :thumbup: