Pavelski, I can see that you are online. I've been reviewing all your previous hints and do you know what? I haven't got a bleedin' clue!
To quote a well known saying - "I can't see the wood for the trees"
The daft thing is, I was at the dry slope tonight and on Wednesday evenings one of the instructors coaches some of us. Being a hot June evening it wasn't exactly busy out there so it was just me and him. I felt I improved my technique a lot in that hour. I would expect that also has something to do with this number but as I said, I just aint seein' it.
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This time difference thing makes curiosity a problematic aspect to the quizz. I'm on the way to the coffee too Pavel but had to stop to see what Ellistine had offered. And you're an hour earlier than I am. The quizz will have to be re-named to the International Springtime Pavel Quizz. !
Ellistine !!! Don't take it so seriousily - Pavel said it was to be fun and to enjoy! The Pavel Quizz teaches us that to pull our hair out over the first quizz means we won't have as much to pull out when the next quizz surfaces. And I'm glad you learned about the shotgun technique. ... but please don't point the shot gun at your head. That will only make future quizzes more difficult - not to mention skiing!.
And again have you all noticed the viewing count! It's up to 1807, about 136 in the past 24 hours. I think that's remarkable for something that hs gone on for so long. You certainly have more than the 4 or 5 of us wondering what the answers will be Pavel.
And as life slowly returns to normal......
Mike
:D
Hi there Ellistine;
When my computer shows the time as 8:12 am in Atlantic Daylight Saving Time the clock on the J2Ski page shows 13:15:11 . So either my time is off by a couple of minutes or their's is. Pavel's time is Eastern Daylight Saving Time , an hour earlier than mine. So under daylight saving time noon in the UK is 9 am in Nova Scotia and 8 am in Pavels kitchen. So the J2Ski clock must be an hour east of you. Where is that? Germany? My geography is as bad as my Gaussian Distribution knowledge...
Is your computerized press a Heidleberg? Have they gone that way too? My father bought a print shop in Haluifax years ago from an older gentleman who's father had inported one of the first Heidleberg presses to land in Halfax. All type was hand set on the "stone". All history now! My father was an accountant by training and always had a lot of interest in the printing business. He did his thesis on printing shop set up and efficient operation.
Mike
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Ellistine
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
Pavelski
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
Ellistine,
You are learning more than just about skiing! ( in your confusion).
Have you noticed that in situations when we must make decisions and have too much information, the brain can't get "right data"!
Try this, forget the "intellectual" ( the neurons are screaming,,,,"does not compute,,,does not compute" so go for the more basic approach, your gut emotional feeling. That answer is there. You have seen the information. You have once even asked me about that famous last number so it is there in your being!
Just let the numbers come out as YOU FEEL!
I do not know what you do as far as occupation but I am sure you are aware of the line, in the end "it is the bottom line" that is important!
It is so in business and it is so in skiing!
Go for it!
You are learning more than just about skiing! ( in your confusion).
Have you noticed that in situations when we must make decisions and have too much information, the brain can't get "right data"!
Try this, forget the "intellectual" ( the neurons are screaming,,,,"does not compute,,,does not compute" so go for the more basic approach, your gut emotional feeling. That answer is there. You have seen the information. You have once even asked me about that famous last number so it is there in your being!
Just let the numbers come out as YOU FEEL!
I do not know what you do as far as occupation but I am sure you are aware of the line, in the end "it is the bottom line" that is important!
It is so in business and it is so in skiing!
Go for it!
Mike from NS
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
Pavel; Congratulations !! Look at the number of numbers your Quizz has brought to the J2Ski site: 1850 views and 144 answers in the span of about 19 days !!! And these are all cardinal numbers! It was the clue ... "these numbers are nominal" that I missed. It threw me completely off. So much for impressive powers of observation ... I guess
When we rounded the tree I started to scramble since this meant we had made it. But how?
These are my final numbers - my best guess numbers ...
1. January 1, 1999.
This was my first day on skis. It is like a date of birth, or a marriage date. It stands out and I'll likely not forget it. It was a first day, like a first day of life, or a first day of marraiage... and just as nerve racking. The date hints indicated to me you accept a date as a nominal number. Knowing when I began skiing sets a bench mark from which to learn, and hopefully the experiences will bring me knowledge each time on skis. All skiers should know when they began skiing. Often a question on the chair lift too!
2. 911
As a number we all know, whether skiers or not. It is a number which makes us feel safe in hopes if we get in trouble in this dangerous sport then there is emergency help out there. It is like a number of a car registration plate or like a car we may have liked - like a Porsche 911 A skiing friend of mine had a Porsche 911 and when he passed it on he kept the Provincial registration plate of 911 for his next car. These are both examples of nominal numbers in that the identify something rather than indicate size or quantity. My 911 above is an identification number we associate with "HELP" And the clues of phone numbers was clear but some definitions of nominal numbers say serial , telephone and zip codes are not nominal as they are assigned in order rather chosen randomly as a name. Other sources say a telephone number is indeed a nominal number. So assuming since you included the hint of your son calling Ellistine if he had Ellistine's telephone number , and the clue of someone calling you - bringing to mind your telephone number then I assume you accept a telephone number as a nominal number.
3. SX9 As in atomic SX9 in which SX9 is the model of the ski and here 9 is a nominal number in that it is part of the model name of the ski. However 9 is also an indicator of the strength or flex of the ski and as such is a cardinal number if standing alone. And then as the 10 of SX10 indicates a stiffer ski then both 9 and 10 are ordinal numbers in that they might be said to rank the ski in order of stiffness. So we should know the number on our ski and what it means.
4. 101 I'm really weak with this one and admit it (not that the others are much stronger...) I'm calling the ski we want to "grow to" ski 101 in that the ski we ski on very confidently now is skied with 100%confidence. This represents the interval of confidence and "... some interval + "1" is the product of the Gaussian Distribution..." It is somewhere in the 95th percentile and the ski 101 is in that top 5percentile.
As I said at the first my study of probilities and distributions was so long ago that I will stop here before I get in any more trouble on this one.
5. "2" is my 5th number as in "J2ski" as I indicated last night the clues shouted for more observation powers than I tghought I had. It was indeed right in front of our faces. Just up the page a bit. Also this page is called SKI FORUM INDEX. As you indicated an index lists things of complicated naturein a clear and concise way. Your ski reviews are an index of what available in the next year 2 is used here as part of a name and is therefore a nominal number. Your index lists your reviews of ski specifications of length, side cut, radius, probably weight suitable for skier's levels and all the things we look for when we look for a ski. All this information is simplified in a concise manner with recommendations, I expect. So we see on the J2Ski site index of forums where there is no end of matters which are "all about the ski" It is indeed the most important number as it is a source of endless knowledge. When people learn to "use" this site they will enjoy skiing and learning at the same time.
Thank you for your patiance and another tantallizing quizz. I just wish I had some better answers. There is nothing more stimulating than a good mind bending quizz like you generate. I have had a few forehead - palm of the right hand encounters with this ... and expect more Friday.
Whether these numbers are anywhere close it has been fun. And it has been great meeting Ellistine, Dshenberger. Agusl and Freezywater.
Some day we will all end up at the same hill and have a great laugh over this quizz and our frustrations.
Looking forward to the answers... where the learning will begin.
Have a great trip to the coast.
Mike
:wink:
When we rounded the tree I started to scramble since this meant we had made it. But how?
These are my final numbers - my best guess numbers ...
1. January 1, 1999.
This was my first day on skis. It is like a date of birth, or a marriage date. It stands out and I'll likely not forget it. It was a first day, like a first day of life, or a first day of marraiage... and just as nerve racking. The date hints indicated to me you accept a date as a nominal number. Knowing when I began skiing sets a bench mark from which to learn, and hopefully the experiences will bring me knowledge each time on skis. All skiers should know when they began skiing. Often a question on the chair lift too!
2. 911
As a number we all know, whether skiers or not. It is a number which makes us feel safe in hopes if we get in trouble in this dangerous sport then there is emergency help out there. It is like a number of a car registration plate or like a car we may have liked - like a Porsche 911 A skiing friend of mine had a Porsche 911 and when he passed it on he kept the Provincial registration plate of 911 for his next car. These are both examples of nominal numbers in that the identify something rather than indicate size or quantity. My 911 above is an identification number we associate with "HELP" And the clues of phone numbers was clear but some definitions of nominal numbers say serial , telephone and zip codes are not nominal as they are assigned in order rather chosen randomly as a name. Other sources say a telephone number is indeed a nominal number. So assuming since you included the hint of your son calling Ellistine if he had Ellistine's telephone number , and the clue of someone calling you - bringing to mind your telephone number then I assume you accept a telephone number as a nominal number.
3. SX9 As in atomic SX9 in which SX9 is the model of the ski and here 9 is a nominal number in that it is part of the model name of the ski. However 9 is also an indicator of the strength or flex of the ski and as such is a cardinal number if standing alone. And then as the 10 of SX10 indicates a stiffer ski then both 9 and 10 are ordinal numbers in that they might be said to rank the ski in order of stiffness. So we should know the number on our ski and what it means.
4. 101 I'm really weak with this one and admit it (not that the others are much stronger...) I'm calling the ski we want to "grow to" ski 101 in that the ski we ski on very confidently now is skied with 100%confidence. This represents the interval of confidence and "... some interval + "1" is the product of the Gaussian Distribution..." It is somewhere in the 95th percentile and the ski 101 is in that top 5percentile.
As I said at the first my study of probilities and distributions was so long ago that I will stop here before I get in any more trouble on this one.
5. "2" is my 5th number as in "J2ski" as I indicated last night the clues shouted for more observation powers than I tghought I had. It was indeed right in front of our faces. Just up the page a bit. Also this page is called SKI FORUM INDEX. As you indicated an index lists things of complicated naturein a clear and concise way. Your ski reviews are an index of what available in the next year 2 is used here as part of a name and is therefore a nominal number. Your index lists your reviews of ski specifications of length, side cut, radius, probably weight suitable for skier's levels and all the things we look for when we look for a ski. All this information is simplified in a concise manner with recommendations, I expect. So we see on the J2Ski site index of forums where there is no end of matters which are "all about the ski" It is indeed the most important number as it is a source of endless knowledge. When people learn to "use" this site they will enjoy skiing and learning at the same time.
Thank you for your patiance and another tantallizing quizz. I just wish I had some better answers. There is nothing more stimulating than a good mind bending quizz like you generate. I have had a few forehead - palm of the right hand encounters with this ... and expect more Friday.
Whether these numbers are anywhere close it has been fun. And it has been great meeting Ellistine, Dshenberger. Agusl and Freezywater.
Some day we will all end up at the same hill and have a great laugh over this quizz and our frustrations.
Looking forward to the answers... where the learning will begin.
Have a great trip to the coast.
Mike
:wink:
Age is but a number.
Edited 3 times. Last update at 07-Jun-2007
Ellistine
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
Good Morning Forum this is London calling with the results of this evenings Pavel Quiz. (Sorry - It's a Eurovision thing).
My Numbers;
Ski Length = 164cm
Am I new to sking and therefore think that extra ski length is just more to have to turn or have I 'seen a few pistes in my time' and think that skis under 190cm are what 12 year old boys ski on. More accuratety, am I Georgio Rocca or Michael Walchoffer.
Radius = 12.2m
This, according to who you speak to, is either the skis natural turning radius or the radius of the Arc of the side cut. I personaly think it's the latter although interestingly (depending on what you find interesting!) the Rossi Mutix quote 2 radius depending on which stiffeners are attached but obviously without the sidecut or length changing.
Width = 122mm/65mm/101mm
The Width of the ski measured at the Tip, middle and the tail. These figures define the shape of the sidecut and hence it's radius or turning ability. You can also play trumps with them - "Tip measurement 122mm - damn you beat me, mines 120mm" etc.
Edge Bevel Angle = 1.5 (soon to be 3) degrees.
Do I want Bridgestone Potenza levels of g-force inducing grip or more of a 'Driving Miss Daisy' whitewall affair with plenty of slide.
Ability VS Capabiltity = 6.
When choosing skis the skiiers ability should be closedly matched to the skis capability. A 'full on' GS ski will do nothing to help a second week skier improve their skiing as the ski has a high built in 'expectation' of the skiers ability. Your ability to ski is measured in a scale from 1 - 9 (on most sites I have looked at anyway). These are;
Once you have chosen your level (mine is 6) it is then a case of choosing a ski with a capability that matches your ability.
Well there you go. I have no doubts that the last one is nothing to do with Pavels index. It's more like a Mike shot gun effort but with the barrel pointing at my head :twisted:
My Numbers;
Ski Length = 164cm
Am I new to sking and therefore think that extra ski length is just more to have to turn or have I 'seen a few pistes in my time' and think that skis under 190cm are what 12 year old boys ski on. More accuratety, am I Georgio Rocca or Michael Walchoffer.
Radius = 12.2m
This, according to who you speak to, is either the skis natural turning radius or the radius of the Arc of the side cut. I personaly think it's the latter although interestingly (depending on what you find interesting!) the Rossi Mutix quote 2 radius depending on which stiffeners are attached but obviously without the sidecut or length changing.
Width = 122mm/65mm/101mm
The Width of the ski measured at the Tip, middle and the tail. These figures define the shape of the sidecut and hence it's radius or turning ability. You can also play trumps with them - "Tip measurement 122mm - damn you beat me, mines 120mm" etc.
Edge Bevel Angle = 1.5 (soon to be 3) degrees.
Do I want Bridgestone Potenza levels of g-force inducing grip or more of a 'Driving Miss Daisy' whitewall affair with plenty of slide.
Ability VS Capabiltity = 6.
When choosing skis the skiiers ability should be closedly matched to the skis capability. A 'full on' GS ski will do nothing to help a second week skier improve their skiing as the ski has a high built in 'expectation' of the skiers ability. Your ability to ski is measured in a scale from 1 - 9 (on most sites I have looked at anyway). These are;
Level One: "Never-Ever"
Level One skiers are first time skiers who have never skied before.
Level Two
Level Two skiers are cautious novices who are able to do a " snow plow" (wedge) turn both ways and are able to stop, but linking turns smoothly may be difficult. Level Two skiers may have skied once or twice before.
Level Three
Level Three skiers are confident novices who are able to stop and make round snow plow turns on easy beginner trails.
Level Four
Level Four skiers are cautious intermediate skiers who can link turns but still moderate speed. Level Four skiers ski in a small wedge and their skis may even be parallel at the end of the turn on green or easy blue trails. Level Four is a transition level in which skiers will begin to ski more blue intermediate runs.
Level Five
Level Five skiers are intermediates who are confident on easy blue runs and ski mostly parallel but may at times use the wedge to begin a turn or to stop. Level Five skiers may be cautious on intermediate trails that are slightly steep or icy.
Level Six
Level Six skiers confidently make parallel turns on blue runs but do not ski many advanced trails. Level Six skiers use their poles to time turns. A Level Six skier is interested in learning to ski better on more challenging terrain.
Level Seven
Level Seven skiers ski controlled parallel turns and can ski very well on blue trails. Level Seven skiers can control their speed and rhythm on black diamond trails, but they are looking to ski on challenging trails with better style. Level Seven skiers can adjust the size and length of their turns and are learning to ski on a variety of different types of snow and terrain.
Level Eight
Level Eight skiers ski with good technique on all terrain and snow conditions. Level Eight skiers can ski moguls and are able to ski black diamond trails with confidence using carved turns.
Level Nine
Level Nine skiers enjoy the challenge of difficult ski trails and ski moguls, steeps, and other black diamond terrain.
Once you have chosen your level (mine is 6) it is then a case of choosing a ski with a capability that matches your ability.
Well there you go. I have no doubts that the last one is nothing to do with Pavels index. It's more like a Mike shot gun effort but with the barrel pointing at my head :twisted:
Edited 1 time. Last update at 07-Jun-2007
Pavelski
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! The proof I just got up and before making my coffee, before brushing my teeth, I rushed down to the screen to see if Dean ( ie Ellistine) got my hints!
Regardless who wins you are all winners ( that is those that participant) since you use these numbers in a new way from now on.
You will understand the "secrets" of the skiing world and then smile remembering this quiz!
Thank Mike and Ellistine for your numbers!
Bob, where are your numbers ( new member) ?
Regardless who wins you are all winners ( that is those that participant) since you use these numbers in a new way from now on.
You will understand the "secrets" of the skiing world and then smile remembering this quiz!
Thank Mike and Ellistine for your numbers!
Bob, where are your numbers ( new member) ?
Mike from NS
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
pavelski wrote:I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! The proof I just got up and before making my coffee, before brushing my teeth, I rushed down to the screen to see if Dean ( ie Ellistine) got my hints!
Regardless who wins you are all winners ( that is those that participant) since you use these numbers in a new way from now on.
You will understand the "secrets" of the skiing world and then smile remembering this quiz!
Thank Mike and Ellistine for your numbers!
Bob, where are your numbers ( new member) ?
This time difference thing makes curiosity a problematic aspect to the quizz. I'm on the way to the coffee too Pavel but had to stop to see what Ellistine had offered. And you're an hour earlier than I am. The quizz will have to be re-named to the International Springtime Pavel Quizz. !
Ellistine !!! Don't take it so seriousily - Pavel said it was to be fun and to enjoy! The Pavel Quizz teaches us that to pull our hair out over the first quizz means we won't have as much to pull out when the next quizz surfaces. And I'm glad you learned about the shotgun technique. ... but please don't point the shot gun at your head. That will only make future quizzes more difficult - not to mention skiing!.
And again have you all noticed the viewing count! It's up to 1807, about 136 in the past 24 hours. I think that's remarkable for something that hs gone on for so long. You certainly have more than the 4 or 5 of us wondering what the answers will be Pavel.
And as life slowly returns to normal......
Mike
:D
Age is but a number.
Edited 1 time. Last update at 07-Jun-2007
Ellistine
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
Is the time displayed against each message local to the viewer or is it server time?
Pavels message that starts with 'I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! ' shows as being 07/06/2007 10:57:06 from where I am.
This message I posted at exactly 11.00am and the times showed up as 12:02. We either have just under an hour to go till the deadline or it's gone already!! (I suspect it's a daylight saving thing).
Admin, where's the server located?
On my business card it says 'Prepress/IT Development Manager'. What this really means is that I work for a printing company and play with computers and big digital presses.
Pavels message that starts with 'I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! ' shows as being 07/06/2007 10:57:06 from where I am.
This message I posted at exactly 11.00am and the times showed up as 12:02. We either have just under an hour to go till the deadline or it's gone already!! (I suspect it's a daylight saving thing).
Admin, where's the server located?
Pavel wrote:I do not know what you do as far as occupation
On my business card it says 'Prepress/IT Development Manager'. What this really means is that I work for a printing company and play with computers and big digital presses.
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Mike from NS
reply to 'Magic Numbers all skiers should know!' posted Jun-2007
ellistine wrote:Is the time displayed against each message local to the viewer or is it server time?
Pavels message that starts with 'I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! ' shows as being 07/06/2007 10:57:06 from where I am.
This message I posted at exactly 11.00am and the times showed up as 12:02. We either have just under an hour to go till the deadline or it's gone already!! (I suspect it's a daylight saving thing).
Admin, where's the server located?
Pavel wrote:I do not know what you do as far as occupation
On my business card it says 'Prepress/IT Development Manager'. What this really means is that I work for a printing company and play with computers and big digital presses.
Hi there Ellistine;
When my computer shows the time as 8:12 am in Atlantic Daylight Saving Time the clock on the J2Ski page shows 13:15:11 . So either my time is off by a couple of minutes or their's is. Pavel's time is Eastern Daylight Saving Time , an hour earlier than mine. So under daylight saving time noon in the UK is 9 am in Nova Scotia and 8 am in Pavels kitchen. So the J2Ski clock must be an hour east of you. Where is that? Germany? My geography is as bad as my Gaussian Distribution knowledge...
Is your computerized press a Heidleberg? Have they gone that way too? My father bought a print shop in Haluifax years ago from an older gentleman who's father had inported one of the first Heidleberg presses to land in Halfax. All type was hand set on the "stone". All history now! My father was an accountant by training and always had a lot of interest in the printing business. He did his thesis on printing shop set up and efficient operation.
Mike
Age is but a number.
Topic last updated on 07-June-2007 at 21:52