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Started by Tony_H in Ski Chatter - 67 Replies

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Steverandomno
reply to 'Offpiste advice for noobies'
posted Dec-2012

AllyG wrote:So does this mean we shouldn't even be ski-ing between pistes without shovel, probe, and transceiver and doing the rest of the avalanche research?

The only thing I have is Recco on my ski boots, and I remember someone saying on here that it's only useful really for finding dead bodies!


Who is going to dig you out?

You need a partner too, with a shovel, probe, transceiver and training.

On the subject of Recco. Many resorts are equipped with Recco scanners. However, consider that your survival window when buried is very short. How long will it be before ski patrol get the equipment and get to you?

Verbier_ski_bum
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posted Dec-2012

Understand the risks. Avalanche newsletters is a good starting point. Know the past weather as it will give you some clue to the snow composition. Avoid wind slabs - pay attention which way the wind is blowing and where the blown snow will get deposited. Local knowledge and advice is useful. take a guide, ask him questions and listen to his explanations. read 'Snow sense'. Get safety equipment and learn how to use it. Do not expose more than one skier at a time. Plan your day and plan every descent.

Verbier_ski_bum
reply to 'Offpiste advice for noobies'
posted Dec-2012

AllyG wrote:So does this mean we shouldn't even be ski-ing between pistes without shovel, probe, and transceiver and doing the rest of the avalanche research?

The only thing I have is Recco on my ski boots, and I remember someone saying on here that it's only useful really for finding dead bodies!


Well, strictly speaking transcievers are also the best at finding bodies. Being buried with a transceiver only guarantees (provided you will be looked and searched for in the right area)that you will be found before the snow melts. It doesn't guarantee survival.

You should put this into perspective, where are you skiing, are you visible from slopes or elswhere, if the slopes are busy or there are no people around, current weather - everything can play its role. And in general I don't think that you need a proper kit if the only "off-piste" you ever go to is these small areas of soft snow between marked runs in resorts.

Tinderbox Ski School
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posted Dec-2012

Without question the best place to start is to book yourself on an avalanche course. I'd say book on something which is at least two days long. Even then this will only cover the basics, although it will answer a lot of questions and help you make some more informed decisions.

Local knowledge is very important too but only as a small part of the avalanche puzzle.

It's really good to hear that you want to venture from the piste and explore more of the mountain and also that you seem keen to make sure your doing so safely.

Spending time with ski pro's and guides will also help you a great deal, helping you build that all important experience.

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Verbier_ski_bum
reply to 'Offpiste advice for noobies'
posted Dec-2012

Tony_H wrote:Good morning.
There has been some incredible and wonderful snowfall across Europe this past week or two and I as much as anyone is itching to get on it. Those lucky enough to be there at present must be having a great time.
However, there have been some well documented problems and it seems that people are going out to enjoy the amazing conditions but taking risks with it.
Ignoring advice and not listening to people is downright stupid in an alien environment, which is what the mountains are to pretty much all of us.

So, decent skiers like myself get to a stage where they are looking to try something new and different, and the past few seasons I have been venturing off piste. I started this in Verbier with some of the so called marked ski routes and have enjoyed some itinerary routes in St Anton and Alpe d'Huez for example. However, we have also skied on terrain which has been outside of the boundaries of the marked ski area in Zurs which was amazing and great fun, but there is a serious side to all of this as well.

No one, myself included, ever really thinks anything will happen to them. But it could, no matter what you do or how good a skier you are, s**t can happen and as we have seen recently, snow moves fast.

I'd like to consider what should be looked into for those of us looking to venture into the world of off piste skiing to keep it safe but enjoyable. I understand that rules and regulations about where you can and cant ski vary from resort to resort, area to area, country to country. However, lets say for arguments sake that you are looking to ski between pistes, or on a ski trail shown on a map, or a bowl served by a lift with open terrain. What should be considered sensible to do and take with you?

I know for serious tourers and off piste thrill seekers, theres transcievers and shovels for instance. But for us recreational skiers who are just looking to play in some fresh powder, do we need to consider all of this? And is it essential, legal, or suggested to take a guide and do it properly even if you're still learning how to ski in deep and on steeps for example, and you only want to "have a bit of a play in the freshies".

Please dont for one minute think I'm taking any of this lightly as I'm not. I have ventured into territory that would possibly invalidate my insurance without even thinking about it; the rush of seeing something spectacular that you want to ski and you are PROBABLY good enough to handle takes over at times, and those of us who cannot resist need to be advised whats right and wrong, and what should or should not be considered as sensible.

Thanks, and be safe.


Do not duck the ropes with checked flags if the only off-piste you want to ski is the areas between pistes runs and they are roped. If all of a sudden one of these areas have totally untracked powder - do not rush to be 'that guy', others could have known what you don't and it's untracked for a reason. Otherwise stay visible.

Andyhull
reply to 'Offpiste advice for noobies'
posted Dec-2012

Off piste doesn't mean just powder, it's anything any from the pistes. Powder equals increased avalanche risk so the kit becomes essential. Experience off piste in safer, skied out conditions.
For beginners there is often no need to go off piste in powder conditions, I've skied in 3 feet of powder on blue runs on several occasions. Many hours of fun too just off the piste, bouncing along in the soft.
Like any part of skiing the way to learn is with professional instruction.

Offshore
reply to 'Offpiste advice for noobies'
posted Dec-2012

What about skiing on a piste that has lots of fresh pow on it, surely this is just as dangerous as going off piste?

OldAndy
reply to 'Offpiste advice for noobies'
posted Dec-2012

offshore wrote:What about skiing on a piste that has lots of fresh pow on it, surely this is just as dangerous as going off piste?

If the piste is open it is likely to be considered safe
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Topic last updated on 18-December-2012 at 06:01