Advice on these please

Trencher wrote:

rossyhead wrote: and boring with no life at all.

That's what two sheets of titenal will do to a ski. As the manufacturer describes it as primarily a carving ski, this is not a bad thing. It's a trade off, sacrificing the pop for edge hold.

Trencher

What do you mean?

mfc wrote:

Trencher wrote:

rossyhead wrote: and boring with no life at all.

That's what two sheets of titenal will do to a ski. As the manufacturer describes it as primarily a carving ski, this is not a bad thing. It's a trade off, sacrificing the pop for edge hold.

Trencher

What do you mean?

Think about a wooden ruler being flicked on a school desk top and the Booooooiiiing noise you used to make. That wooden ruler is like the wood core of your skis. Now think what would happen if you glued a thin strip of very hard and brittle metal to the ruler. It would no longer be much fun to flick as the vibration would die out very quickly. This is the effect of titenal layers in skis and snowboards.

Why do you need it ? When a ski is carving, unless you have found a groomed billiard table, the ski is going to get bumped around and will try to carve several different arcs at once as the ski's decambering is increased and decreased (a bit like the wooden ruler). The titenal layers help to dampen out these sudden changes in how much the skis is flexed, and help the ski to carve a smoother arc.

If you want see this how much unwanted flexing can go on, look at this video at about the 2.00 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIFNdO94xRs

The down side of metal, is that it make a ski feel a bit dead. It won't spring the energy back to you in the same way that a non metal ski might.

Trencher

Trencher wrote:

mfc wrote:

Trencher wrote:

rossyhead wrote: and boring with no life at all.

That's what two sheets of titenal will do to a ski. As the manufacturer describes it as primarily a carving ski, this is not a bad thing. It's a trade off, sacrificing the pop for edge hold.

Trencher

What do you mean?

Think about a wooden ruler being flicked on a school desk top and the Booooooiiiing noise you used to make. That wooden ruler is like the wood core of your skis. Now think what would happen if you glued a thin strip of very hard and brittle metal to the ruler. It would no longer be much fun to flick as the vibration would die out very quickly. This is the effect of titenal layers in skis and snowboards.

Why do you need it ? When a ski is carving, unless you have found a groomed billiard table, the ski is going to get bumped around and will try to carve several different arcs at once as the ski's decambering is increased and decreased (a bit like the wooden ruler). The titenal layers help to dampen out these sudden changes in how much the skis is flexed, and help the ski to carve a smoother arc.

If you want see this how much unwanted flexing can go on, look at this video at about the 2.00 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIFNdO94xRs

The down side of metal, is that it make a ski feel a bit dead. It won't spring the energy back to you in the same way that a non metal ski might.

Trencher

Cheers! Can you now explain how crop rotation worked in the 18th Century?

I can, I have a degree in agricultural botany,

Ally

Haven't understood the long words in this post but the last two comments are priceless and made me laugh out loud!!!
Surely the most important thing is do these skis match your jacket and salopettes or will you have to buy new ones?

jastem wrote:Haven't understood the long words in this post but the last two comments are priceless and made me laugh out loud!!!
Surely the most important thing is do these skis match your jacket and salopettes or will you have to buy new ones?

Bottom line is, titenal layers are good in carving skis, but it's an expensive, hard to work with material. Another one of the reasons, one ski cost more than another.

Trencher

Thank you!

jastem wrote:Haven't understood the long words in this post

By 'long words' do you mean "Booooooiiiing" ? )

I thought Trencher explained that very well and in an easy to understand way :D