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Started by Dave Mac in Ski Chatter - 123 Replies

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Bandit
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Oct-2010

Snapzzz, there is (as you know) no criteria for a little bit off piste. You are either between those marker poles, or outside them.

If you choose to cross them, how would you have prepared for the excursion?

The Insurer does include Off Piste cover in the policy link, however they also state in the General Exclusions:

2c) your suicide, self-inflicted injury or deliberately putting yourself at risk (unless you were trying to save
another person's life)


This would be the likely opt out AFAICS, if you went onto a pitch that subsequently slid (for example). If you could show that you had been properly prepared, you could counter this, as well as making sound decisions about your route.

The Alcohol and Drugs use exclusion is also valid, no bottle of wine at lunchtime, followed by a little bit of off piste!

Snapzzz
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Oct-2010

Thanks Bandit, i understand your point.

How many 'off piste' accidents do you think are contested by insurers?
As far as i am concerned you are either covered or not and for an insurer to dispute on the grounds that going off piste 'is putting yourself at risk' really stinks. Especially when they state 'off piste' is covered.
Also Direct travel choose not to stipulate any specific conditions as many others do, such as having a qualified guide. So how could they argue about what is safe or unsafe? After all we are not qualified mountain rangers!

It is indeed a minefield.
Skied: Arinsal, La Plagne, Alpe D'huez, Flaine, Les Arcs, Morzine, Les Gets, Avoriaz, Sauze, Courchevel, Val Thorens

Bandit
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Oct-2010

Snapzzz wrote:Thanks Bandit, i understand your point.

How many 'off piste' accidents do you think are contested by insurers?
As far as i am concerned you are either covered or not and for an insurer to dispute on the grounds that going off piste 'is putting yourself at risk' really stinks. Especially when they state 'off piste' is covered.
Also Direct travel choose not to stipulate any specific conditions as many others do, such as having a qualified guide. So how could they argue about what is safe or unsafe? After all we are not qualified mountain rangers!

It is indeed a minefield.


I think any insurer will contest each claim, on piste or off, in an attempt to reduce costs. It's an adversarial system AFAICS. Most of the mainstream companies employ claims handling agencies who seem to be paid on results )

A friend was skiing with his son on piste this year, and the boy fell over and broke his leg, quite badly. He was airlifted to hospital. The boys' Mother was not impressed by her insurer telling her by phone her that the staff handling their case were having a meeting to decide how to proceed with the claim. This is your Insurer (and mine). How could any debate exist? Child, on piste, supervised by his Father, takes a fall, no-one else involved. The company had all this information to hand.

As far as the extra risk of going off piste, from an insurance perspective, they may consider that you don't have to go off piste, and you are not well equipped to be doing so (training and equipment wise). I spent ages in early 2010, on asking this company questions on these issues, and didn't really get a feeling that they knew much about off piste skiing in Europe.

Edited 2 times. Last update at 29-Oct-2010

Bandit
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Nov-2010

The questions being asked here and on other forums have been read by the team at Henry's Avalanche Talks.

http://www.henrysavalanchetalk.com/piste-insurance-caveats-and-get-out-clauses

Henry's team, will be conducting their own investigation and will contact the major Insurers to try and establish the extent of cover.

This comment on the link above caught my eye

HAT is working with the piste patrol in Val d'Isere and the Foreign Office on helping skiers be adequately insured and prepared. We have found out that the piste patrol in Val d'Isere are increasingly concerned about insurance companies refusing to pay for off piste rescue. (They have a list!)


(My bold)

The Insurance buying season is almost upon us, it would be great to get some clarity before we all take a punt!

EmmaEvs
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Nov-2010

This is excellent news Bandit. :thumbup: It will be interesting to see what the experts can come up with by way of clarification. Of course that's assuming that they're not a bunch of 'Holiday Harrys' and are skilled enough to even be considering this issue? (Sorry I couldn't resist - smacked wrists for me - and if anyone from Henry's is reading - it is a joke, honest!)
I wish I could meet the person who first decided to strap 2 planks to their feet and throw themselves down a mountain

AllyG
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Nov-2010

It's just a pity that their link goes to the locked thread, and not this one.

Chris Radford
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Nov-2010

I have added a link to this forum stream on the HAT post to encourage dialogue

http://www.henrysavalanchetalk.com/piste-insurance-caveats-and-get-out-clauses

http://www.henrysavalanchetalk.com/which-insurance-policy-works-best-you

Chris

Bandit
reply to 'The Insurance Minefield ~ Chapter 2'
posted Nov-2010

Chris Radford wrote:I have added a link to this forum stream on the HAT post to encourage dialogue

http://www.henrysavalanchetalk.com/piste-insurance-caveats-and-get-out-clauses

http://www.henrysavalanchetalk.com/which-insurance-policy-works-best-you

Chris


Thanks Chris :D

Topic last updated on 30-January-2011 at 16:28