Nice board on ebay

ise wrote:

Pablo Escobar wrote:Trencher, ski companies have been at that for the last couple of years :wink:

actually a lot, lot longer than that, the original patents (for skis) go back to the 1980's. More recently, around 2001 IIRC, the Volant Spatula used the same construction.

Apparently snowboard manufacturers are also doing some pioneering work on snowboard transport devices based around a pioneering idea called a "wheel" and have a pioneering technology called "fire" to keep you warm at night :D

As I said, not just rocker for powder skis. I was talking about carving and all mountain. As we have discussed in the past, ski manufacturers tend to follow snowboard trends because skiers are slow to accept innovation. Where are the carving/all mountain skis that are using these ideas ? These mixed camber designs are becoming standard on carving snowboards. That is still pioneering even if Volant had something similar years ago (for a different purpose).

Typical ski manufacturer, learns how to make fire and doesn't know what to do with it. Maybe they could cook the wheels they haven't figured out how to use either :wink:

Trencher

All mountain skis? Allow me to refer you to the Armadas I suggested earlier :wink:

Therein lies another issue, define 'all mountain ski' :roll: I think the JJs are so they qualify!

Trencher wrote:

ise wrote:

Pablo Escobar wrote:Trencher, ski companies have been at that for the last couple of years :wink:

actually a lot, lot longer than that, the original patents (for skis) go back to the 1980's. More recently, around 2001 IIRC, the Volant Spatula used the same construction.

Apparently snowboard manufacturers are also doing some pioneering work on snowboard transport devices based around a pioneering idea called a "wheel" and have a pioneering technology called "fire" to keep you warm at night :D

As I said, not just rocker for powder skis. I was talking about carving and all mountain. As we have discussed in the past, ski manufacturers tend to follow snowboard trends because skiers are slow to accept innovation. Where are the carving/all mountain skis that are using these ideas ? These mixed camber designs are becoming standard on carving snowboards. That is still pioneering even if Volant had something similar years ago (for a different purpose).

Typical ski manufacturer, learns how to make fire and doesn't know what to do with it. Maybe they could cook the wheels they haven't figured out how to use either :wink:

Trencher

What we discussed in the past was how all of these snowboard innovations first appeared on skis, in most cases decades previously.

I know what the rockers are and I also know the engineering behind the designs with reverse cambers, as I commented the patent for skis was granted around 1980 having been filed in the late 70's and it was nothing to do with powder. Had you read the patent you might have been surprised to find it credits a patent granted in the 40's for skis with sidecut or side camber as they called it.

It's sweet snowboarding has reached a point where it's taking old ski designs trying to keep contemporary though ) It's a bit like your dad wearing tight jeans and thinking it's hip.

All mountain is a manufacturer's and reviewer's term for skis that doesn't normally include mid fat or fat skis.

Trencher

Pablo Escobar wrote:All mountain skis? Allow me to refer you to the Armadas I suggested earlier :wink:

Therein lies another issue, define 'all mountain ski' :roll: I think the JJs are so they qualify!

that's an easy one, good at nothing :D whereas, a slalom or powder ski means bad at everything else etc etc.

Trencher wrote:All mountain is a manufacturer's and reviewer's term for skis that doesn't normally include mid fat or fat skis.

Trencher

can I post this quick enough before Pablo refers you to the Armadas again ? :D

but seriously, that's a typo isn't it? mid fat is the archetypal all mountain ski in current line ups, so much that the two terms are all but synonymous.

ARMADA

Sorry, you did beat me to it, eye was off the proverbial ball!

ise wrote:

Trencher wrote:All mountain is a manufacturer's and reviewer's term for skis that doesn't normally include mid fat or fat skis.

Trencher

can I post this quick enough before Pablo refers you to the Armadas again ? :D

but seriously, that's a typo isn't it? mid fat is the archetypal all mountain ski in current line ups, so much that the two terms are all but synonymous.

I refered to the manufacturer's and reviewer's commonly used definition, which generally have 70mm to 80mm waist, not anyone else's.

Where these designs might have an impact, other than for recreational carving, is in events where FIS has restricted minimum sidecut radius of skis. You might effectively turn a 27M GS ski into a ski that carves like a 21M ski. What would FIS do then ? place restrictions on camber ?

I think the kesslers and some other boards on the snowboard WC circuit are already using this kind of design.

Trencher