Have a pair of Ski Boots Salomon perfecta thermcfit which are 26.5.
Sometimes my heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski. Is this a problem or is this normal. What effect does this have on my sking. I am a male intermediate 5,10 approx 11st 6
Went to Great Outdoors Dublin and they measured my left foot as 26 and right as 26-27.
They mentioned that the 26.5 is wider than a 26. The bootfitter mentioned that I have slim "low volume" feet and a 26 would be my ideal size. As I have the boots a few years would be perpared to buy a new pair.
If I change my boots are there certain makes, I should look out for with my slim feet
One thing we tried was "Superfeet" insoles, which did improve things.
These cause about €45 euro to fit.
Am I better off changing my boots or going with the insoles
Thanks Folks
Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski
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Top ski racers have world cup circuit boot fitters to make modifications to their boots. Those modifications are made with the proper materials.
If a boot is the proper size for the foot that's inside it, no after market DIY foam pads, heel cushions, etc are needed.
If you buy the correct size, make and model of boot, by visiting a boot fitter before purchase, modifications are minimal during the life of the boot.
I don't think Pav said anything about world cup. There's thousand of top ski racers at regional and national level who don't have a boot fitter in tow.
No need for a boot fitter to do anything more than give you the right size boot ?
Maybe, but not everyone can. Suggesting that there are some simple things that can be done at home to help with fit is a pretty reasonable thing to say.
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Started by Dublin1 in Ski Hardware 09-Feb-2009 - 8 Replies
Dublin1 posted Feb-2009
RossF
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
Go to a boot fitter that knows what they are talking about...
CEM, correct me if I am wrong, but don't 26 and 26.5 boots share the same shell size with minor differences in the liner being the half size?
CEM, correct me if I am wrong, but don't 26 and 26.5 boots share the same shell size with minor differences in the liner being the half size?
Cem
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
1cm of lift is not really something you want.... there are a few facts about your boots i need to know to go much further
1 put your foot in the empty shell [take the liner out] and with your toes brushing the front of the shell how much space is there behind your heel? 8-12 mm race fit, 12-16mm performance, 16-20mm comfort, 20-25mm extreme comfort, 25mm+ bucket
2 find the centre of the shell and move the fronot of your foot side to side at that point, ho much spcae either side of your foot? for performance 0-3mm each side of the foot comfort 3-5mm each side
my first guess is that if you have a low volume foot then the performa has too much volume for you
BTW 26.0 and 26.5 are the same shell, the difference if anythign is [bnot on all models] a small amount of padding in the top of the liner to make it feel snugger, it will pack down to the same within a week.
the insole will stabilize your foot and help a bit with the fit but it sounds very much like the boot jsut has too much space in it.....being as you are on the green isle i would suggest a trip to the northern territories to climate ski in Belfast, they should be able to find you somehting a bit lower in volume....stay away from looking at a specific brand, the one that fits is the correct one, the toes will feel on the end of the correct size when the boot is new, this will ease with 10-20 mins in the boot all manufacturers make a slim boot some just better than others but all good if they work for your foot
hope that helps
1 put your foot in the empty shell [take the liner out] and with your toes brushing the front of the shell how much space is there behind your heel? 8-12 mm race fit, 12-16mm performance, 16-20mm comfort, 20-25mm extreme comfort, 25mm+ bucket
2 find the centre of the shell and move the fronot of your foot side to side at that point, ho much spcae either side of your foot? for performance 0-3mm each side of the foot comfort 3-5mm each side
my first guess is that if you have a low volume foot then the performa has too much volume for you
BTW 26.0 and 26.5 are the same shell, the difference if anythign is [bnot on all models] a small amount of padding in the top of the liner to make it feel snugger, it will pack down to the same within a week.
the insole will stabilize your foot and help a bit with the fit but it sounds very much like the boot jsut has too much space in it.....being as you are on the green isle i would suggest a trip to the northern territories to climate ski in Belfast, they should be able to find you somehting a bit lower in volume....stay away from looking at a specific brand, the one that fits is the correct one, the toes will feel on the end of the correct size when the boot is new, this will ease with 10-20 mins in the boot all manufacturers make a slim boot some just better than others but all good if they work for your foot
hope that helps
Edited 1 time. Last update at 09-Feb-2009
Pavelski
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
Dublin,
All of the above comments are valid.
May I add the following;
In boot fiting there is a golden rule. It is "less is more"!
That is you must do all changes with minor "adjustments! Do not do radical large changes like; changing boots, cutting linner etc,,,
Now let us first isolate problem.
put boots on at minimum setting.
Have someone place their foot just above third buckle from top.
Try to raise foot within boot.
Does it move still 1 cm.
Then try this (with friend still hold down boot)
Try to rotate feet with boot.
What I want to see is if too much free space on sides!
If so you have two problems;
1, too much space above third buckle near top of foot
2, too much space on sides of ankles.
The first problem is very easy to solve.
Go to any pharmacy and go to foot section where "older" parson get heel supports, heel cushions, foot powders etc,,,,
You can buy several heel "lifts" with cushions already within heel units! Place these units within linner with double tack tape.
Try the first test again. That is raising heel while someone holds boots down!
If the foot does not move,,voilà you have solved that problem! Remember you do this with buckles at minimum!
If you have some free space on sides,,,arounf ankle then you can get some foam "croissants" which you can glue to sides under ankle area! I have about 50 different types,,you just try various ones!
Please do not lose heart about boots! Every good skier adapts boots. If ever you see boots from top ski racers you will be amazed how many "adjustments" are made!
My boots are full of cuts, pads, modified buckles and extra power straps! Now they are like slippers! I never take them off during ski day! In -40 ski weather they are toasty warm!
Hope this helps you!
All of the above comments are valid.
May I add the following;
In boot fiting there is a golden rule. It is "less is more"!
That is you must do all changes with minor "adjustments! Do not do radical large changes like; changing boots, cutting linner etc,,,
Now let us first isolate problem.
put boots on at minimum setting.
Have someone place their foot just above third buckle from top.
Try to raise foot within boot.
Does it move still 1 cm.
Then try this (with friend still hold down boot)
Try to rotate feet with boot.
What I want to see is if too much free space on sides!
If so you have two problems;
1, too much space above third buckle near top of foot
2, too much space on sides of ankles.
The first problem is very easy to solve.
Go to any pharmacy and go to foot section where "older" parson get heel supports, heel cushions, foot powders etc,,,,
You can buy several heel "lifts" with cushions already within heel units! Place these units within linner with double tack tape.
Try the first test again. That is raising heel while someone holds boots down!
If the foot does not move,,voilà you have solved that problem! Remember you do this with buckles at minimum!
If you have some free space on sides,,,arounf ankle then you can get some foam "croissants" which you can glue to sides under ankle area! I have about 50 different types,,you just try various ones!
Please do not lose heart about boots! Every good skier adapts boots. If ever you see boots from top ski racers you will be amazed how many "adjustments" are made!
My boots are full of cuts, pads, modified buckles and extra power straps! Now they are like slippers! I never take them off during ski day! In -40 ski weather they are toasty warm!
Hope this helps you!
Bandit
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
pavelski wrote:
Please do not lose heart about boots! Every good skier adapts boots. If ever you see boots from top ski racers you will be amazed how many "adjustments" are made!
Hope this helps you!
Top ski racers have world cup circuit boot fitters to make modifications to their boots. Those modifications are made with the proper materials.
If a boot is the proper size for the foot that's inside it, no after market DIY foam pads, heel cushions, etc are needed.
If you buy the correct size, make and model of boot, by visiting a boot fitter before purchase, modifications are minimal during the life of the boot.
Edited 2 times. Last update at 14-Feb-2009
Trencher
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
bandit wrote: Top ski racers have world cup circuit boot fitters to make modifications to their boots. Those modifications are made with the proper materials.
I don't think Pav said anything about world cup. There's thousand of top ski racers at regional and national level who don't have a boot fitter in tow.
bandit wrote: If a boot is the proper size for the foot that's inside it, no after market DIY foam pads, heel cushions, etc are needed.
No need for a boot fitter to do anything more than give you the right size boot ?
bandit wrote: If you buy the correct size, make and model of boot, by visiting a boot fitter before purchase, modifications are minimal during the life of the boot.
Maybe, but not everyone can. Suggesting that there are some simple things that can be done at home to help with fit is a pretty reasonable thing to say.
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Edited 1 time. Last update at 14-Feb-2009
Bandit
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
Why not visit a professional who will do the job properly, once, instead of experimenting with DIY, bits of foam, croissants, heel pads, carpet tiles, whatever.
Many people buy boots that are too big. Probably most if they buy off the internet/ebay etc.
Are you suggesting that folks simply "can't" buy the right model/size of boot?
Do they then set out to purposefully buy an ill fitting boot?
When I think of top ski racers, I think of the World Cup circuit, sorry.
Many people buy boots that are too big. Probably most if they buy off the internet/ebay etc.
Are you suggesting that folks simply "can't" buy the right model/size of boot?
Do they then set out to purposefully buy an ill fitting boot?
When I think of top ski racers, I think of the World Cup circuit, sorry.
Trencher
reply to 'Heel lifts approx 1cm in boots when I ski' posted Feb-2009
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to accept the things
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Courage
to change the
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GOD, grant me the
Serenity
to accept the things
I cannot change
Courage
to change the
things I can
and the
Wisdom
to know the difference.
Trencher
because I'm so inclined .....
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Topic last updated on 17-February-2009 at 17:59