Interesting that the initial question focused on "real racing skis",,then author gives example of the Atomic 9 and Rossi 9 models!
Rarely do real racing skis get on market for recreational skiers! They are not designed for recreational skiing! It is like having a Porsche 911 turbo in downtown traffic!
Very few skiers should have such skis!
The skis mentionned are NOT real racing skis. They have the very specific SL cut design! Now those skis are worth buying and using if the price is right and you have hard groomed ski runs.
What do they offer?
If you know how to ski and can handle such skis, you will get a skiing feeling that you have never had,,,ever!
They respond to your every smallest twich of the knee. Wiggle your ear and they will turn!
They become part of your body! From the initial edge set to the very end of the tail section of the ski,, you will feel the ski cut the hill! Steep hard icy sections, those skis will carry you over with style and grace! While others are sliding sideways and causing teeth to chatter, the SL type skis will wisk you over with stable razor sharp turns!
Not for the "expert- want- to- be" or the heel turner for sure but if you want to go to another skiing level,,do it!
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i have two questions for you, why by chance do they have race skis that are 06' models for 99$ i paid 550 for my intermediate downhill/carving skis that were 06's that was including bindings. how long have you been skiing for and what were your last skis that you used ( and who makes em for 99$ thats what i wanna know)
Atomic just changed the models ie GS11 became GS12. Also these might be shorter lengths. There are a lot of incredable deals out there if you look.
Trencher
That's totally untrue, get a pair a skis under 3kg and take them out and you'll find very, very quickly that the lighter a ski is, and the lighter the binding then the more the force is transferred back to you. The weight of the binding and plate system particularly is specifically designed to absorb and compensate for the huge forces involved in running at a race speed. If the ski truly transferred even a fraction of that back to you then you'd be thrown to ground the first time you hit even the very smallest alteration on snow surface.
That principle's been used to effect in ski systems like the Metron, engineered to handle alterations in snow surface and flatter indifferent skiers at speed, Nordica and others have pretty similar systems on the market.
quite, there'd be no stability if they were actually transmitted every alteration in snow surface to you.
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Started by Dshenberger in Ski Hardware 01-Feb-2008 - 32 Replies
Pavelski
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
Elanboy385
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
Dshenberger wrote:Is it insane to want a real race ski (Rossi 9x, or Atomic GS 9) just for the "fun" of it? A local shop has some '06 models for $99 US. And I am tempted to pick some up just to see what they are like. Am I going to kill myself? :)
i have two questions for you, why by chance do they have race skis that are 06' models for 99$ i paid 550 for my intermediate downhill/carving skis that were 06's that was including bindings. how long have you been skiing for and what were your last skis that you used ( and who makes em for 99$ thats what i wanna know)
BALLS TO THE WALL
Trencher
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
Elanboy385 wrote:Dshenberger wrote:Is it insane to want a real race ski (Rossi 9x, or Atomic GS 9) just for the "fun" of it? A local shop has some '06 models for $99 US. And I am tempted to pick some up just to see what they are like. Am I going to kill myself? :)
i have two questions for you, why by chance do they have race skis that are 06' models for 99$ i paid 550 for my intermediate downhill/carving skis that were 06's that was including bindings. how long have you been skiing for and what were your last skis that you used ( and who makes em for 99$ thats what i wanna know)
Atomic just changed the models ie GS11 became GS12. Also these might be shorter lengths. There are a lot of incredable deals out there if you look.
Trencher
because I'm so inclined .....
Hirsty
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
I have the Rossi 9S.
Really great ski. I can't say it better than Pavelski has.
One thing I would add though is that they are heavy, heavy skis. I compared the weight to my friend's snowboard and one ski plus binding weighs more than his entire rig (boots, binding, board).
Really great ski. I can't say it better than Pavelski has.
One thing I would add though is that they are heavy, heavy skis. I compared the weight to my friend's snowboard and one ski plus binding weighs more than his entire rig (boots, binding, board).
He was a wise man who invented beer - Plato
Pavelski
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
I often hear the comment, "ha,,,that ski is so heavy"! The underlying message is, it will tire me, it will be too difficult to turn, it will be a dud!!!!
Yes race skis are heavier that most all-round or intermediate skis! But you must understand why! Allow me an example with an analogy!
If ever you have driving a true race car on a race track you know what "competition suspension" is like! It transfers all the roads imperfections to the seat of your pants! You become part of the car and feel each sway, each tuck of the car! So it is with racing skis!
Of course they are not for everyone, but the skier who knows how to use them does not use "wasteful movement", does not lift ski unless necessary and skier who uses such skis is fit!
Nothing is free, so yes they are heavier,, but the stability and speeds I get far compensates for this small issue!
As far as prices,,,well there is now a major world wide surplus of skis and plus racing skis are not "popular" so you have your pick! Enjoy the harvest!
I know a shop that has a whole wall of Atomic 11 and 12 for sale! For the next three years it will be a skiers market since we are heading into a serious recession! There are many changes happening in the skiing industry!
It is not the number of years that you ski that is important, rather it is how technically well you can ski! Some people ski one a year, never take lessons yet say they have skied for 40 years! Quality is more important than quantity!
Elanboy, it cost most ski companies about 68$ for all raw materials to make a ski! (based on 2001 estimates) so you see profit margin is very high! Last skis I tried were the Head World Cup SL 2009 skis! Very very hot units that melt the snow under them as they cut the turns! Not for the slow boys or cliff boys!
Yes race skis are heavier that most all-round or intermediate skis! But you must understand why! Allow me an example with an analogy!
If ever you have driving a true race car on a race track you know what "competition suspension" is like! It transfers all the roads imperfections to the seat of your pants! You become part of the car and feel each sway, each tuck of the car! So it is with racing skis!
Of course they are not for everyone, but the skier who knows how to use them does not use "wasteful movement", does not lift ski unless necessary and skier who uses such skis is fit!
Nothing is free, so yes they are heavier,, but the stability and speeds I get far compensates for this small issue!
As far as prices,,,well there is now a major world wide surplus of skis and plus racing skis are not "popular" so you have your pick! Enjoy the harvest!
I know a shop that has a whole wall of Atomic 11 and 12 for sale! For the next three years it will be a skiers market since we are heading into a serious recession! There are many changes happening in the skiing industry!
It is not the number of years that you ski that is important, rather it is how technically well you can ski! Some people ski one a year, never take lessons yet say they have skied for 40 years! Quality is more important than quantity!
Elanboy, it cost most ski companies about 68$ for all raw materials to make a ski! (based on 2001 estimates) so you see profit margin is very high! Last skis I tried were the Head World Cup SL 2009 skis! Very very hot units that melt the snow under them as they cut the turns! Not for the slow boys or cliff boys!
RossF
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
If you fancy a shot, buy em.
Ise
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
pavelski wrote:
If ever you have driving a true race car on a race track you know what "competition suspension" is like! It transfers all the roads imperfections to the seat of your pants! You become part of the car and feel each sway, each tuck of the car! So it is with racing skis!
That's totally untrue, get a pair a skis under 3kg and take them out and you'll find very, very quickly that the lighter a ski is, and the lighter the binding then the more the force is transferred back to you. The weight of the binding and plate system particularly is specifically designed to absorb and compensate for the huge forces involved in running at a race speed. If the ski truly transferred even a fraction of that back to you then you'd be thrown to ground the first time you hit even the very smallest alteration on snow surface.
That principle's been used to effect in ski systems like the Metron, engineered to handle alterations in snow surface and flatter indifferent skiers at speed, Nordica and others have pretty similar systems on the market.
pavelski wrote:Nothing is free, so yes they are heavier,, but the stability and speeds I get far compensates for this small issue!
quite, there'd be no stability if they were actually transmitted every alteration in snow surface to you.
Hirsty
reply to 'Race skis' posted Feb-2008
Pavelski - don't get me wrong I think the weight is great for stability but I don't think it is good for someone to use an entire trip especially if everyone else is on lighter rigs. It can really take it's toll on your legs.
He was a wise man who invented beer - Plato
Topic last updated on 12-March-2008 at 15:21