can you recommend me some skis please?

list price for a stormrider dp pro is around 500 euro in fact plus bindings of course.

So, that may be the list price where you are, but if I had have bought them in the UK I would have paid what I just did for just the skis, then bindings on top and postage etc, so I am exstatic at the price I paid. Plus I bought these at sale prices from Sporthaus Jennenwien so if you genuinely know of a place where you can buy Stockli Stormrider DP pros for 500 Euro I congratulate you and would advise you to buy some.

The cheapest I found them anywhere was on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300092259179&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=300095943645&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

But with the Tax that I would have had to pay and the postage as well as having to buy bindings on to it would have cost me a great deal more than I paid. Also the reccomended retail price for the DPs in the US is $990 SKi only in the UK £600 ski only

I am very happy with deal I got

You shouldn't buy ski's just on recommendations from others.

I completely agree, you shouldn't buy on the reccomendation of others, In fact I think I said that in my posting, however it does give you a place to start, there are very many different skis out there and it is very easy to buy a pair that are wrong for you. Some people aren't fortunate enough to always be able to try skis before they buy them so research the skis, speak to the distributors and the shops read the reviews and understand the benefits that each different ski gives you relevant to your type of skiing ability and what you want to do. Then buy them at the cheapest price that you can. I bought the 193s but I am looking to do a huge amount of off piste skiing I will use them on piste as well though they have an asymetric tail section which makes them stiff when you are on piste and soft when you are off piste. They suit my needs very well for what I want. If you want to do more on piste skiing I would look a the scott Schmidts or the XLs

Hope this helps

Cheers

Max

Hi Zinal

Just read my response to your post and it didn't come out as I intended so my apologies if it sounded snotty

cheers

Max

Max Cottle wrote:Hi Zinal

Just read my response to your post and it didn't come out as I intended so my apologies if it sounded snotty

cheers

Max

It's fine, but if you look at Telemark Pyrennes you'll see their prices which are the same as in the Stockli stores. I'm aware that the UK prices for Stockli are high though.

edit : I see TP don't have the 193's right now though.

Good Call
Yes, 500Euro but again no bindigs and for me no good as they only do up to 184....strange considering that these skis suit the taller heavier skier.

Cheers for that I am going to look on their site for Avalanche Trancievers

Cheers

Max

Max Cottle wrote:Good Call
Yes, 500Euro but again no bindigs and for me no good as they only do up to 184....strange considering that these skis suit the taller heavier skier.

Cheers for that I am going to look on their site for Avalanche Trancievers

Cheers

Max

I presume they just sold out on the other lengths, Stockli themselves have all lengths at 340 euro's in their sale I noticed in their store Vevey yesterday for anyone in Switzerland, stock at other stores will no doubt vary although prices won't. XL, AT's and PIT lights also at 30% with anything else that's EOL currently along with the usual assortment of fixations incl' some freerides like the Silvretta Pure's and naxo's plus shaped skins for the EOL skis where appropriate.

If you want to do more on piste skiing I would look a the scott Schmidts or the XLs

Only just noticed that, that's not really true, these are freeride skis for off-piste primarily. Stockli piste skis would be models like the Lasers, Cross or Spirits. I think the confusion is that the term off-piste is used increasingly interchangeably with powder for some reason.

Only just noticed that, that's not really true, these are freeride skis for off-piste primarily. Stockli piste skis would be models like the Lasers, Cross or Spirits. I think the confusion is that the term off-piste is used increasingly interchangeably with powder for some reason.

Yes and No, ok the XLs are offered as free ride but 50% on Piste 50% off piste. However, If you compare these skis and the scott schmidts to my Volkl P50s which are 100% piste skis they are very simmilar in measurements I think that the tip has an extra 1.6 cm on the XLS and the waist of the XL is slightly fatter. The Scott Schmidts, (ill admit I have not looked at the measurements for these) are piste skis so they are likely to be slimmer (likely I say, you might want to check).

Myself I would say that the XLs are piste skis, a year or two from now piste skis are going to be much fatter than they are now. I was looking at the XLs for 50/50 off piste but I felt that the DPs were a better fit for me (personally) they are much fatter and still very good on piste. In my oppinion if you are buying skis now you want to be buying fat.

If you are unsure about fat or don't want to go off piste buy the XLs or the Scott Schmidts. If your improvement is going to take you off piste (which i suspect it will do as the natural progression) then you want to look at the DPs, they look awesome (brushed aluminium finish), and ski better. Read the reviews, try them if you can. Many of the reviews say don't try them unless you are an expert........Crap, it may take you a day o two on piste to get used to them but if that is the price ou pay for what they deliver i'd say that is a pretty cheap price.

Fat Skis are the way to go,

double post sorry see above

Max Cottle wrote:

Only just noticed that, that's not really true, these are freeride skis for off-piste primarily. Stockli piste skis would be models like the Lasers, Cross or Spirits. I think the confusion is that the term off-piste is used increasingly interchangeably with powder for some reason.

Yes and No, ok the XLs are offered as free ride but 50% on Piste 50% off piste. However, If you compare these skis and the scott schmidts to my Volkl P50s which are 100% piste skis they are very simmilar in measurements I think that the tip has an extra 1.6 cm on the XLS and the waist of the XL is slightly fatter. The Scott Schmidts, (ill admit I have not looked at the measurements for these) are piste skis so they are likely to be slimmer (likely I say, you might want to check).

Myself I would say that the XLs are piste skis, a year or two from now piste skis are going to be much fatter than they are now. I was looking at the XLs for 50/50 off piste but I felt that the DPs were a better fit for me (personally) they are much fatter and still very good on piste. In my oppinion if you are buying skis now you want to be buying fat.

If you are unsure about fat or don't want to go off piste buy the XLs or the Scott Schmidts. If your improvement is going to take you off piste (which i suspect it will do as the natural progression) then you want to look at the DPs, they look awesome (brushed aluminium finish), and ski better. Read the reviews, try them if you can. Many of the reviews say don't try them unless you are an expert........Crap, it may take you a day o two on piste to get used to them but if that is the price ou pay for what they deliver i'd say that is a pretty cheap price.

Fat Skis are the way to go,

I do have some XL's that I've been using this season and the end of last, these are not piste skis, I'm not sure who has them as 50% on/off piste but it's not Stockli themselves. As for trying them, I have, all of them. Buying XL's as a piste ski would be a huge, huge error these are absolutely not a piste orientated ski.

You reflect a common and widely held opinion about fat skis, it's one I happen not to agree with but it's not particularly perverse. Personally I spent last season skiing all terrains on slalom skis and the necessity for fat skis is lost on me :) A lot of it is a matter of opinion but I feel strongly that to equate off-piste with powder is an error, a lot of lines I ski are defined by their gradient and location not by the depth of powder on them so I'd choose a ski that reflects that gradient and location.

That we'll all be on fat skis in a season or two is highly debatable, for a start we've been told this for a couple of years already and it's not happened. Ignoring the ones outside restaurants there's no mass shift to fat skis I've noticed off-piste, it's around 50% maybe slightly higher if there's a lot of powder and, tellingly, less if it's not fresh snow. As we get further and further off-piste and into the real back country touring then skis get shorter, straighter and thinner of course. That observation may not hold for somewhere like Verbier or Val d'Isere but it's what I've noticed this season.

A lot of people are also highly suspicious of fat skis and concerned about their use to extend the range of fairly modest skiers, I don't personally totally agree with this as the obvious corollary to that would be for us all to be on skis from the 1950's but you see stuff from time to time that tends to make that case a little. I'm personally more than a little puzzled by the mass market appeal of skis that are only perform optimally in conditions that their users are likely to encounter very rarely, for myself I can only think of maybe three days this season that something fatter than my current XL's would have been useful and I actually do have some fatter skis that I can rarely be bothered to use.

OTOH, this all rather happened before with shaped skis, people expressed concerns about increases in speed and were sniffy about other skiers who couldn't carve turns on straighter and longer skis so it's inevitable that you'll hear similar comments about fat skis in terms of terrain access and snobbery ,see above ) , from those who can ski any terrain on any ski already.

For what it's worth I had a review on my blog of the current (or old) XL's : http://snowslider.net/reviews/stockli-stormrider-xl-2006/