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Your videos are very good, the quality seems fine.
I took out my Rollei out on my bike for the first time weekend, the quality is good although mounting it can be a problem as it does not have a screen or wifi connectivity. Also yet to figure out how to mount it when not wearing a helmet.
As for DSLRs, I bought my Nikon DSLR from Currys two years ago and lives on top of the wardrobe virtually unused, far to heavy and bulky even though it does take great photos; when its batteries are charged.
As for drones, did Merseyside Police not get fined for using one without a license a year or two back, probably a useless bit of info but thought i share it
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Started by Bonfire in Ski Chatter 13-Nov-2014 - 14 Replies
Ian Wickham
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
I tend to go for a bullet cam less conspicuous on one's person, and the quality is fine ...
Bonfire
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
Well I bought a Rollei HD, not having second thoughts.
Iceman
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
You will on the slopes......Go Pro 3 Black all the way ;)
The Northern Monkey. Jan'23 Les Arcs
Msej449
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
I had a Contour, which was stolen and I'm also thinking about a replacement. I do have to say that the GoPro seems to produce relatively higher quality videos than the Contour, but as I had a cheaper model, this may be an unfair comparison. I attached it via my goggle strap and this worked well for me. I also liked the simple, big slider on/off switch and 'beep' confirmation, plus laser leveller. All this made it very easy to use. Latterly, I also started to take the Contour off my goggles and hand-hold it, so that I could pan and reduce wobble, which seemed to produce better results, and you can pan sideways as you ski (try that with anything helmet-mounted!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d-LgkoDmA
I also have a Canon EoD 5D Mk III with a carrying handle
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Professional-Camcorder-Stabilizing-Handle/dp/B003PBB4ME/ref=pd_cp_p_0/178-0443784-1989309
which I've used for ski videos. This solution is in a different league entirely, but of course, you're talking about £4K of camera and lens. And it's both heavy and having a fall could be expensive! But it produces great results (sorry, I don't have a moving video on YouTube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzc5QF7Syug
If you're taking your DSLR/videocam anyway, then it might be worth trying this out, as the Opteka grip handle is not a hugely expensive item at £38.
All-in-all 'though, I have to say that these lightweight cameras, while great, only go so far. To do a really great video of that's a cut above the rest, I think you'd have to have to use a tripod for fixed shooting, and a sophisticated self-levelling carrier for moving pictures. And use a high-end DSLR or videocam. You'd still use the smaller cams, but not for everything.
Last season in Verbier saw trials of drone-based videos to cover the Freeride competition (go to 3:25)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1o39py_freeride-ession-with-de-le-rue-brothers-filmed-by-a-drone-snowboard_sport
I also have a Parrot AR2.0 drone myself, which takes 1080HD, but the one in this film is a 'professional' heavyweight machine capable of carrying a DSLR. I had been thinking of taking my drone out next season, but I'm very nervous about any problems arising from collisions with people. I think it won't be long before you see 'hobby' drones appearing and I'm not sure that I'd welcome this (even 'though I use one myself). There are also problem with controlling hobby drones at higher altitudes, as they can lack the power needed for stability in the thinner air and they tend to only use WiFi, which has an effective 50M distance (the guys in the video obviously have a much more powerful transceiver setup).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d-LgkoDmA
I also have a Canon EoD 5D Mk III with a carrying handle
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Professional-Camcorder-Stabilizing-Handle/dp/B003PBB4ME/ref=pd_cp_p_0/178-0443784-1989309
which I've used for ski videos. This solution is in a different league entirely, but of course, you're talking about £4K of camera and lens. And it's both heavy and having a fall could be expensive! But it produces great results (sorry, I don't have a moving video on YouTube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzc5QF7Syug
If you're taking your DSLR/videocam anyway, then it might be worth trying this out, as the Opteka grip handle is not a hugely expensive item at £38.
All-in-all 'though, I have to say that these lightweight cameras, while great, only go so far. To do a really great video of that's a cut above the rest, I think you'd have to have to use a tripod for fixed shooting, and a sophisticated self-levelling carrier for moving pictures. And use a high-end DSLR or videocam. You'd still use the smaller cams, but not for everything.
Last season in Verbier saw trials of drone-based videos to cover the Freeride competition (go to 3:25)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1o39py_freeride-ession-with-de-le-rue-brothers-filmed-by-a-drone-snowboard_sport
I also have a Parrot AR2.0 drone myself, which takes 1080HD, but the one in this film is a 'professional' heavyweight machine capable of carrying a DSLR. I had been thinking of taking my drone out next season, but I'm very nervous about any problems arising from collisions with people. I think it won't be long before you see 'hobby' drones appearing and I'm not sure that I'd welcome this (even 'though I use one myself). There are also problem with controlling hobby drones at higher altitudes, as they can lack the power needed for stability in the thinner air and they tend to only use WiFi, which has an effective 50M distance (the guys in the video obviously have a much more powerful transceiver setup).
Edited 4 times. Last update at 20-Nov-2014
SwingBeep
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
There are regulations concerning the operation of drones in Switzerland. If it weighs more than 500 grams you have to have public liability insurance to the value of CH 1 million and you not allowed to fly them within 100m of 'gatherings of people' so flying one above a piste is probably a no go.
http://www.bazl.admin.ch/dienstleistungen/02658/index.html?lang=fr
http://www.bazl.admin.ch/dienstleistungen/02658/index.html?lang=fr
Msej449
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
Thanks for the information - I had been looking for a definitive statement but without success until now. The Parrot AR 2.0 is 380 gms using the outdoor hull, including battery and GPS. It uses an inbuilt camera and foam body to keep the weight down, which is necessary, because the lightweight battery even then only gives it 15-20 mins flying time. This is probably more like 10-15 mins at altitude. The 'line of sight' requirement is the same as in the UK, and many owners buy the GPS module because this allows you to pre-program flights, plus means it will return to the launch point when the battery gets low or it loses the WiFi. Without the GPS, the drone will just hover and then land - for better or worse - if it loses the signal or power.
I still think that I wouldn't use it above public pistes, but it might be OK for aerial shots off-piste, in locations where it wouldn't hit anyone even if it decided to crash-land.
I believe that the Valais ski association has used an 'amateur' drone to film slalom training, but in that case, I imagine that would be on a closed piste with everyone agreeing it's OK. And slalom skiers would be well-protected agains a lightweight collision anyway.
Although I'm a drone owner, I'd agree that the amateur but heavier-payload models pose a bit of a threat: 1Kg of drone carrying 2.5Kgs of DSLR would not be something you'd want colliding with anyone, skier or pedestrian. But then, model gliders pose a similar threat (and generally are flying much faster) and they've been around for years without any serious incidents. They guys in the video had some serious equipment, including what looks like radio control (rather than WiFi), real-time viewing, and excellent stabilising software, but even so the camera work is very good.
I still think that I wouldn't use it above public pistes, but it might be OK for aerial shots off-piste, in locations where it wouldn't hit anyone even if it decided to crash-land.
I believe that the Valais ski association has used an 'amateur' drone to film slalom training, but in that case, I imagine that would be on a closed piste with everyone agreeing it's OK. And slalom skiers would be well-protected agains a lightweight collision anyway.
Although I'm a drone owner, I'd agree that the amateur but heavier-payload models pose a bit of a threat: 1Kg of drone carrying 2.5Kgs of DSLR would not be something you'd want colliding with anyone, skier or pedestrian. But then, model gliders pose a similar threat (and generally are flying much faster) and they've been around for years without any serious incidents. They guys in the video had some serious equipment, including what looks like radio control (rather than WiFi), real-time viewing, and excellent stabilising software, but even so the camera work is very good.
Edited 2 times. Last update at 20-Nov-2014
Bonfire
reply to 'Cam' posted Nov-2014
msej449 wrote:I had a Contour, which was stolen and I'm also thinking about a replacement. I do have to say that the GoPro seems to produce relatively higher quality videos than the Contour, but as I had a cheaper model, this may be an unfair comparison. I attached it via my goggle strap and this worked well for me. I also liked the simple, big slider on/off switch and 'beep' confirmation, plus laser leveller. All this made it very easy to use. Latterly, I also started to take the Contour off my goggles and hand-hold it, so that I could pan and reduce wobble, which seemed to produce better results, and you can pan sideways as you ski (try that with anything helmet-mounted!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d-LgkoDmA
I also have a Canon EoD 5D Mk III with a carrying handle
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Opteka-Professional-Camcorder-Stabilizing-Handle/dp/B003PBB4ME/ref=pd_cp_p_0/178-0443784-1989309
which I've used for ski videos. This solution is in a different league entirely, but of course, you're talking about £4K of camera and lens. And it's both heavy and having a fall could be expensive! But it produces great results (sorry, I don't have a moving video on YouTube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzc5QF7Syug
If you're taking your DSLR/videocam anyway, then it might be worth trying this out, as the Opteka grip handle is not a hugely expensive item at £38.
All-in-all 'though, I have to say that these lightweight cameras, while great, only go so far. To do a really great video of that's a cut above the rest, I think you'd have to have to use a tripod for fixed shooting, and a sophisticated self-levelling carrier for moving pictures. And use a high-end DSLR or videocam. You'd still use the smaller cams, but not for everything.
Last season in Verbier saw trials of drone-based videos to cover the Freeride competition (go to 3:25)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1o39py_freeride-ession-with-de-le-rue-brothers-filmed-by-a-drone-snowboard_sport
I also have a Parrot AR2.0 drone myself, which takes 1080HD, but the one in this film is a 'professional' heavyweight machine capable of carrying a DSLR. I had been thinking of taking my drone out next season, but I'm very nervous about any problems arising from collisions with people. I think it won't be long before you see 'hobby' drones appearing and I'm not sure that I'd welcome this (even 'though I use one myself). There are also problem with controlling hobby drones at higher altitudes, as they can lack the power needed for stability in the thinner air and they tend to only use WiFi, which has an effective 50M distance (the guys in the video obviously have a much more powerful transceiver setup).
Your videos are very good, the quality seems fine.
I took out my Rollei out on my bike for the first time weekend, the quality is good although mounting it can be a problem as it does not have a screen or wifi connectivity. Also yet to figure out how to mount it when not wearing a helmet.
As for DSLRs, I bought my Nikon DSLR from Currys two years ago and lives on top of the wardrobe virtually unused, far to heavy and bulky even though it does take great photos; when its batteries are charged.
As for drones, did Merseyside Police not get fined for using one without a license a year or two back, probably a useless bit of info but thought i share it
Topic last updated on 24-November-2014 at 21:36