missing trencher

ise wrote:

Dave Mac wrote:
Among the most experieced skiers on J2. who else has the courage to put videos of their skiing & boarding out to the public? Who else provides as much technical technique info?

I don't quite see why anyone is obliged to post videos of themselves or that those who don't lack courage.

I think a lot of people provide a lot of useful information as well.

Ise, it seems as if there's a chip on your shoulder.

I don't think there was any suggestion of an obligation in Dave Mac's post, nor did he imply that those who didn't post videos were without courage. I don't think it should be a particularly contentious point that putting a video of your own technique up to public scrutiny (on the internet of all places!) requires some courage, but that's certainly not to say that those who don't are cowards! They may have all the courage in the world but no desire to share such things.

I'd certainly agree that there is a not insignificant contingent of people providing plenty of useful information on here, and I hope they all continue to contribute freely.

Gooseh wrote:

ise wrote:

Dave Mac wrote:
Among the most experieced skiers on J2. who else has the courage to put videos of their skiing & boarding out to the public? Who else provides as much technical technique info?

I don't quite see why anyone is obliged to post videos of themselves or that those who don't lack courage.

I think a lot of people provide a lot of useful information as well.

Ise, it seems as if there's a chip on your shoulder.

I don't think there was any suggestion of an obligation in Dave Mac's post, nor did he imply that those who didn't post videos were without courage. I don't think it should be a particularly contentious point that putting a video of your own technique up to public scrutiny (on the internet of all places!) requires some courage, but that's certainly not to say that those who don't are cowards! They may have all the courage in the world but no desire to share such things.

I'd certainly agree that there is a not insignificant contingent of people providing plenty of useful information on here, and I hope they all continue to contribute freely.

The whole post by Dave Mac...

Trencher adds so much knowledge and quality to J2ski. I know we get a range of views on different issues, lots of newbies, lots of mid-skiers, a few "experts", even less "ancients", (that's me and two others :oops

Trencher has his strongly individual way of viewing skiing, and is not afraid to challenge other views. Sad to say, one or two people respond in an entirely personal way. That is negative, and sometimes hostile. I don't see why we cannot accomodate all views, in a positive way.

Among the most experieced skiers on J2. who else has the courage to put videos of their skiing & boarding out to the public? Who else provides as much technical technique info?

C'mon Trencher, get back to the fold.

implies that in his view Trencher has more courage than other posters. Alternatively the rest of us just can't be @rsed with camcorders, which could be viewed as a lack of courage, preferring to spend our time doing skiing.

Gooseh wrote:
Ise, it seems as if there's a chip on your shoulder.

Is quite personal and unwarranted IMHO, when all ise has done is state what some folks were thinking, but not saying.

Note: Edited to include whole post made by Dave Mac

Gooseh wrote:
Ise, it seems as if there's a chip on your shoulder.

that's a quality contribution :roll: There's a number of posters here who seem to think they can be just as personally offensive as they like and for some reason it doesn't count.

Ise wrote:

There's a number of posters here who seem to think they can be just as personally offensive as they like and for some reason it doesn't count.

That is true, Ise.

Bandit, you have taken me slightly out of context, in that you missed out the initial part. There have been a number of video posters from inters, but, among the more experienced skiers, I list only one poster. I think it does take courage to post a video that displays your ability, and is there to be openly criticised.

Please don't get into the semantics of "experienced skiers". You know what I mean.

So, since there are some who have not liked the way I expressed the observation, (ie in comparitive terms), I withdraw it.

I am an admirer of Trencher's total commitment to his way of skiing and, yes, I will say it, boarding. :cry:

That is not to say, I am going to start skiing without sticks, I need these every day to fix my mistakes. However, I suggest that Trencher's videos, accompanying explanations, and occasional offers of technical comment to those who request such, are a valued contribution to our site.

I see this no differently from the valuable contributions that you make to our knowledge of mountaincraft and equipment Ise.

None of us are gurus, we have all built up our experiences in different ways. Each of us has different things to offer, and different things to learn.

This site has been much the poorer for the loss of Trencher and Jan, caused in both cases, by people being offensive. It is much easier to be kindly to each other.

Dave Mac wrote:
This site has been much the poorer for the loss of Trencher and Jan, caused in both cases, by people being offensive. It is much easier to be kindly to each other.

Both were highly offensive in their more recent posts, the fact some of the posts had to removed and aren't available as a record of that doesn't really alter it. At least one of them went on to send a few petulant PM's which really speaks for itself.

This is going to end up getting locked.
Before it does, I can honestly say I have not seen anything on this site that can be regarded as offensive. Differences of opinion? Yes.

However, I am sorry to hear that certain people have decided to stop posting because of so called offence being taken. I dont recall the threads or comments made which led to Trencher or Jan from stopping posting, although I do recall their being quite an opinionated discussion re carving from a while back. I always found Trencher offered good information, particularly regarding technique, whilst Jan has been involved in the sport at a high level for many years and knows his onions alright.

Like Ian W said, its good that we dont all like the same things or share the same opinions.

Tony_H wrote:This is going to end up getting locked.
Before it does, I can honestly say I have not seen anything on this site that can be regarded as offensive. Differences of opinion? Yes.

i know you were probably not making that as a suggestion but this should be locked.

I've always hidden behind my keyboard when it comes to the facts/opinion argument but I have to say that I'm very angry that what was intended to be a lighthearted thread has once again turned into another pick-apart-what-you've-said and turn it into an unnecessarily heated discussion that can often cause upset. The irony is incredible.

I hate it and I'm beginning to understand why some people no longer post...